The power of perception, with musician Jewel

I am a singer-songwriter, a visual artist, and I also work in behavioral health

Being able to find my inner self has had lots of iterations. Times where I lost contact with it and times where I've been more in touch with it

And it's also been a relationship that has deepened. When I was young, I'm kind of audio

I also have synesthesia. And so when I shut my eyes, I do see colors

And when I sing, I see colors and shapes. I remember being very young and hearing my mom call my name

and there were all these colors that when she said, I was like, that's me

That's the name for these colors that I see inside my body. Another one was when I moved out at 15

I was living in a house with an abusive dad. My mom had left

I had been reading philosophy at the time, been looking at the idea of nature versus nurture

and I was peeling an orange one day. I realized that my nurture, the way I was raised, caused me to form personality traits like low self-esteem, being guarded, not trusting adults, the list goes on

And that became my exterior, became the way that I protected myself from the world

What I realized is I spent all of my life identifying with the peel

I spent zero time thinking about the fruit. And I realized at that moment that I really had to spend serious time dedicating what I call going down and in

Whenever I have a problem with people or I'm angry or these things are going on, that's all a distraction

I have to go down and in and understand why am I letting that make me angry

Why am I perceiving that as I'm worthless? And that's when I really started to be able to get my life to change

What do you have to ignore to keep believing what you believe When I was about 18 I was homeless because I wouldn have sex with a boss He refused to give me my paycheck

I tried to get other jobs, but I was having panic attacks. I was becoming agoraphobic

I was shoplifting a lot. My life was really grinding to a halt

And I was very lonely, and I realized I kind of deserved to be lonely

because nobody actually knew me. and my desire to connect became stronger than my desire to be safe

And I decided to do something that was very radical for me

which was to say the truth out loud, expose myself to people

This is Jewel. Hi. This is a place called The Interchange. This is where you started off, what, about a year and a half ago

Oh, yes. I found a coffee shop that was going out of business

I asked them if they could stay open for one more month, and she agreed

Her name is Nancy. And I said, can I keep the door money if I bring people in and you keep the food and coffee

We agreed to that. But my very first show, two surfers showed up

And I sang these poor surfers for five hours. I sang to them about the most honest, gut-wrenching, vulnerable truths about myself

I read poems the whole nine yards. And these two surfers cried the whole time

and I cried on stage. And we hugged afterwards because it was such an honest, real, authentic experience

we just had all had together. And for me, that was when that really became a powerful thing

I knew that would be a life path for me, that I would be safer in the world

the more honest I was instead of the more guarded I was. When have you experienced a profound sense

of disconnection from others and what did you learn from it? I think one of the most surefire ways to disconnect me from others is shame

It instantly isolates me. It instantly makes me feel separate from... For me, shame feels like a real tightness and a denseness

It just feels like I'm lost in a fog. It feels like I can't see. I can't see what I did wrong

I get disoriented feeling. And so when I notice I agitated when I noticing I getting triggered I just soften I breathe My posture changing My blood pressure changing

Different biochemicals being released. My vascular system dilates. Blood pressure comes down

And then I just need to listen with no agenda. And so that really helps me

It helps me when I'm feeling shame to stop and go, okay, this is a feeling in my body. How do I want to redirect this? And so I turn it into a river in

my mind. Where do I want this energy and this water to go? That gets me back into behavior and

gets me into, okay, now what am I going to do about it? And then I can start to move on

What action do you want to take but don't feel ready yet? Let me think of a good way to talk

about it because I haven't said it out loud. There's an aspect of my personality that I think

stems from perfectionism. It's a way of trying to control my environment. I'm working on an art

exhibit right now and that means I have about five billion decisions to make and I'm trying to decide

if where this QR code will take you to Spotify or will it take you to a link tree and I realized

that I was wanting to step in. I was wanting to manage it, control it, figure out what the most

perfect, perfect, perfect solution was and that it was a complete waste of my energy

What is your most consistent and greatest fear? Being loved makes me scared

That's scary to me. That's a really vulnerable, dangerous thing for me

You don't grow up being abandoned and being abused and, you know, what happened in my divorce

Being loved was really painful, consistently. And so it is really good to check in on that

It was really important to heal. It was really important to take the time to heal

I have learned with time that the truth always wins. The uncomfortable parts of my personality, the uncomfortable parts of life are true

whether we live in denial of them or not. And I've spent plenty of time in my life denying the truth, wishing it wasn't so

trying to pretend it wasn so And all it cost me was years and then I still had to deal with the truth And I actually paid a much bigger price When I was about 29 I realized my mother wasn who I thought she was

She was my manager. I had such a strong need for my mother's love that I was willing to ignore

what other people would have perceived as red flags. I wanted her love much more than I wanted the truth

and that cost me. It cost me a lot of money. It cost me a lot of years

It cost me a lot of heartbreak. And so I have a saying now called

The Truth Wins. I want to see the truth as quick as I can. It's actually a daily mantra for me

is I pray for the eyes to see the truth. Power is perception

Power is being able to perceive. The more I can perceive, the more powerful I am

That has been an absolute game changer and life changer for me in my life

What is your most consistent and greatest hope? My most consistent passion is to connect with people

I noticed that I enjoyed this ability to connect to people when I was pretty young

I don't really know why it happened or what caused it to happen. And it's just like I would see this yellow color

And it corresponded to a feeling in my body. And it corresponded to a feeling they had

And I just knew that it was special. It felt like being around a fire. It felt like being warmed

As well as, you know, the physical abuse of my dad, my dad went on to heal

He got sober in his 60s. I had done my growth. And we met as two completely different people

That was an unexpected surprise in my life. My son gets to know my dad

it's like a gift I never thought I'd be given. When I was discovered, I made myself a promise

that my number one job was to learn how to be a happy whole human, not a human full of holes

My number two job was to be a musician. And I'm very proud that I'm 49 years old

and I've never let that promise down. That went really far. That is an excellent question

Whoever wrote these questions has done a lot of work and a lot of research and should be very, very proud

I've never heard other people talk about this, so this is really exciting